Thursday, December 01, 2005

A short post on abortion

There was a heated debate on Atrios yesterday among the commentariat, concerning whether or not this administration and its Supreme Court nominees will reverse Roe V. Wade.

I am of the opinion that they will not reverse it. While it is easy to get into a dystopian thought process that ends with women as birthing vessels, I don't think that the "Handmaid's Tale" is a vision of the future that people like Alito and Roberts hold dear. Sure, they are not fans of abortion, but I do not believe that they have feverish fantasies of reversing Roe or Griswold and returning to a Stepfordized past.


But I will admit, they are doing everything they can to make abortion difficult, if not outright illegal.


  1. i would agree; indeed, this has been the general trend over the last decade or so. one of the dirty secrets of clinton time was that access to abortion across the country declined considerably, with nary a word from the top.

  2. I think they will try, but they will not succeed.

    The whole making it more and more difficult is the prelude.

  3. I'm not opposed to making abortion difficult enough so that it's not done casually, but I don't think that the difficulty should fall disproportionately on the poor. Why do rich women need fewer obstacles than do poor women?

    One of the reasons there is so little dialogue between the two sides in this debate is because the anti-abortion camp has made it perfectly clear that it wants to forbid abortion, and any progress they make in their campaign is towards that goal. That sort of makes it an all-or-nothing game.

    Abortion is a serious choice, but I believe it should remain a private choice between the woman and her medical provider. It shouldn't be the subject of anyone else's conversation.

    But that's just my opinion.

  4. I agree. Illegalizing abortion would take a lot of the wind out of their sails. They need to keep the issue alive, otherwise, bye-bye to political dividends.

  5. Anti-choice zealots reel in many women seeking abortions in Georgia through fake clinics. Were Roe overturned, how would these prospering small businesses survive?

  6. This is where it gets really difficult for outsiders to get a grip of the abortion situation in the US.

    You see, compared to us, you have exceptionally liberal laws governing abortion .. and (certainly in the UK) most people (even most pro-choicers) are in favour of a further tightening of the rules.

    It is really difficult for people here to get their heads around just how polarised the debate in the US has become – to the outsider it basically seems to boil down to people who want a free-for-all and those who want no abortion at all – with no real audible middle-grounders.

    I know the situation here is different (we don't listen to the church and abortion isn’t an issue that decides votes, because there are no party lines on abortion), but surely it is possible to compromise enough to find a solution that respects women and doesn’t treat them as incubators .. whilst still avoiding what frivilous abuses would result from a free-for-all. Not so?

    Am I a naive idealist?

  7. I think abortion will be made more difficult, but Roe v. Wade will not be overturned. My real fear is that it will be turned over the individual states to decide, which will quickly create a distinct separation in the country. People will then travel to have abortions and the more that the states deicde, the more they will divide.

  8. The idea is to create more waiting time so they continue to wage psychological warfare upon those who so choose and the hope is to magnify emotional, physical collateral damage.

    Cruel and unusual punishment is forbidden.

    The pursuit of happiness is allowed.

    Both apply to the person choosing.
    Intent is on the side of thw woman who chooses eother option.

  9. -Mr.Murder made the above comment